Referred to in yesterday’s post. Here are some excerpts:

Localized economics — a revolutionary social concept…back to the land, back to freedom…education made simple…give everyone a higher taste…how to get good leaders…farms are the future

Prabhupada: Yes. The department, the sinful departments, illicit sex, meat-eating, this will be closed, and that will make simple.
Ramesvara: Completely?
Prabhupada: No, at least we shall try to make closed. And if people become localized, then this traffic will be little. Just like I am trying to organize the farm. If people do not come out of home, then this system will be obsolete. There will be no more department. They have created hundreds. They do not know how to manage it. For livelihood they have to go to Bombay, and therefore they require so many local trains. But if they localized, they can get their livelihood locally, there is no question of these all…

Ramesvara: [Localization is] possible in India but not in America.
Prabhupada: Why?
Ramesvara: The American people…consider it backwards.
Prabhupada: That has to be educated, that backward is real life.
Ramesvara: They think they have achieved a higher standard of freedom by traveling all over the world…
Prabhupada: Where is your freedom? Where is your freedom if for your livelihood you have to go a hundred miles? Where is your freedom? Why you are illusioned? For your bread, you have to go hundred miles off, either by car or by train. So where is your freedom?…

Jagadisa: People in general are very much inclined to accept whoever their leader is if they feel happy. So if we give them kirtana and prasadam, if their economic needs are met, then how can they avoid? Economic needs are the main thing. That’s why they…
Prabhupada: If they can eat nicely and they have no complaint for living conditions, they will become…

Ramesvara: In America there is a rule that there is separation of church and government
Prabhupada: It is not church.
Ramesvara: But they think of us…
Prabhupada: Not stereotyped church.
Ramesvara: But they think of us as a religion.
Prabhupada: They may think. It is not the fact. It is a culture…
Now… We have come to the open field. How it is nice. And so long we were passing through that congested areas — hellish, simply hellish. And now here is open space. How it is nice.
Hari-sauri: To enter into a city is so imposing on your consciousness.
Prabhupada: Up to that point, simply rubbish, all papers thrown here and there. People are living in… Now see here, how it is open and pleasing. Organize this farm project. Farm. (background talking)
Hari-sauri: He’s just saying that in the West one requires a great deal of capital. To start a farm, to get the land, you need a lot of money because land is very expensive. And also we have to use modern farming techniques because we have so few men to run the farms.
Prabhupada: No, you show example. People will do automatically. When the people find it is very nice, they will take.
Hari-sauri: Should we try to make an effort to have our householders go and live on the farms, a special effort? If it’s ready to do that?
Prabhupada: Why householders? Everyone. Hare Krsna. (japa)
Ramesvara: In America there is a very big emphasis on getting people to join us by moving into our temples. The temple presidents are very eager to get as many people to move in as possible, but in the long run most people cannot come up to the standard.
Prabhupada: Therefore I am [advocating] farms.
Ramesvara: So they have to be encouraged to have a little bit of Krsna consciousness in their own home, make their home a temple.
Prabhupada: No, let them go to the farm, New Vrindaban.
Ramesvara: Many people… Most people in the world, they are grhamedhis, and they cannot give it up so easily.
Prabhupada: “No, you remain… Come here with your wife, children. You remain grhamedhi.”
Jagadisa: New Vrindaban is very austere. If we build little bungalows with modern convenience…
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Jagadisa: There has to be some modern convenience.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Then we shall do that.
Ramesvara: But for many people who live in the cities, they have their jobs already. They don’t want to give it up…
Say, in America, most people live in the cities, and they already have their job, and they are set in their ways.
Prabhupada: But you said that there is unemployment also.
Ramesvara: To a certain extent. But there are still 250,000,000 people. So most of them…
Prabhupada: So those who are unemployed, let them come to us. We shall give them employment.
Ramesvara: Yes. But for the mass population…
Prabhupada: Well, gradually you will increase and…
Ramesvara: We have to give them something that they can do in their home.
Prabhupada: Oh, yes.
Ramesvara: Because it is impractical to think that they will give up everything and move into the temple.
Prabhupada: No, those who are unemployed, let them come. We shall give them employment.
Jagadisa: On the farm.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Ramesvara: For those who are unemployed, that’s attractive.
Jagadisa: But for those who are already employed…
Ramesvara: But most people have jobs.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Ramesvara: Many people already have their jobs and their families.
Prabhupada: All right, let them not come, but those who are unemployed, let them come.
Ramesvara: But what…? For those people who already have their jobs, instead of…
Prabhupada: That job… They will be very soon jobless. Don’t worry. (laughs) They will come. They will be obliged to come. Now they have got job, but as the days are advancing in Kali-yuga, they’ll be jobless.
Hari-sauri: So we can expect that material conditions are going to become very much worse than this.
Prabhupada: They may come or not. We don’t care for it. Let us establish an ideal society. That is the…

VD 40: India, January 11, 1977: Conversation on Train to Allahabad